This is the history of the SG Radiant Oscillator and how things get stolen even when you have people you trust helping you.

Even if they signed a confidential disclosure you still can't trust them. And then people ask why I do not answer them.

Judge for yourself why you never have seen John talk about the oscillators.

However, Peter and I never said anything obout OU at all since we were just testing The Negsistor effect in the transistors oscillators.





On Tue, 1/19/10, Rick Friedrich <> wrote:

From: Rick Friedrich
Subject: Fw: Some Pictures for you
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:41 AM

--- On Wed, 10/12/05, Stan Mayer <> wrote:

From: Stan Mayer <>
Subject: Some Pictures for you
To: "Rick Friedrich" <>
Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 5:18 PM


As promised here are some pictures of the "tube" oscillator that I received from John during my visit with him in November, 2004.  John didn't tell me if the unit that he gave me was a working OU one or what so it could have been a prototype but I was darned happy to get it.   As I told you during one of our phone conversations, I did some experiments with it, rotating small lead-acid motorcycle type batteries around it and while I found the oscillator to be a darned good charger with an efficiency of at least 80%, in the few test rotations that I did, I never saw any sign of OU and/or improving efficiency but at that time I was in a hurry to continue my motioned energizer experiments, utilizing the information just observed at John's lab so I temporarily(?) discontinued experiments with it.

The picture below is of the basic device.  Note that the + and dot marks on it were placed there by John.   The diode ... a 1N4007 ... was included with the osc. given to me by John and in fact is shown exactly as it was attached to the tube osc. that John demonstrated to me. 

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The next picture shows the tube osc. mounted on a heat sink because I found during my tests of it that it tended to get quite warm so to prevent possible thermal destruction of it during my tests, I mounted it on a heat sink.   Observe that the ruler shown for scaling purposes is in units of inches and 1/10's of inches.

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And the next picture ... just sort of for the heck of it ... shows the text setup that I used in early 2005 to evaluate the tube oscillator, running it from 2  X 6V = 12V motorcycle batteries and charging 2  X  6V = 12V motor cycle batteries.  The yellow DVMs show input voltage and input current.  The right DVM shows the charged battery voltage.

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The next picture shows a WIRING DIAGRAM for how the tube oscillator is supposed to be hooked up, based on my recollections of how it was demonstrated to me by John and this is the wiring method that I used in my tests shown above.

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Okay, Rick,  .... from this point on, these pictures are ... how shall we say ... confidential.  That is, as RS has seen them, you can of course discuss them with him but for now, no one else please.   The reason that I request that you do this is that should John see the pictures of the dissected tube oscillator that he gave me, he might not be very happy about this.

Recently, after careful consideration of requests made by a very serious colleague co-experimenter, I "disassembled" my tube oscillator with some assistance from a heat gun and a carefully wielded Exacto knife and the picture below shows the disassembled osc.  The top can of the osc. was apparently a piece of PVC pipe which was attached with epoxy to a TO3 type transistor whose top had been cut off.  The top can had a winding and a few parts in it as shown in the picture and these parts were encapsulated in the can with epoxy.   Again the ruler is inches and 1/10's of inches.  The dissection went off quite well at least until I got down to the transistor base, which I will talk more about shortly.  The three resistors are ultra small and appear to be something like 1/16th watters, if there is such a thing.  One of the resistors was trapped/encapsulated inside the trifilar winding.   I will describe the measured values of the resistor and the construction of the winding in another photo in this message.    Anyway, after I got the coil out, I got down to the bottom of the transistor where the actual active transistor component is, which is commonly called the chip or the die, which is about 0.2" x 0.2"  The chip is normally connected to the pins of the transistor base with very thin wires that are connected to the chip by ultrasonic bonding.  These wires are very thin and are what I call frog hair wires.  Anyway, when I got down to the chip, I accidentally broke off the base and emitter frog hair wires but it was apparent that ... just had John had told me he had done ... the base wire had indeed been cut in half and two new leads had been connected to each end of the cut frog hair wire.   The reason for doing this ... in my opinion ... was to route the true base circuit of the chip to the circuitry of the oscillator and then utilize the transistor base (b) pin for connecting the winding to the EXTERNAL + run and - chged battery terminals.  Nice!   A three terminal device that is no longer a transistor but is a hybrid circuit, the tube oscillator circuit, which is a combination of a transistor, some resistors and a winding.  Nice!   

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The picture below shows the transistor base with transistor chip, sans, of course the no longer there B and E frog hair wires.

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And at that point I measured the resistors for ohm values and made physical measurements of the winding and I put all this information together is a schematic and wiring diagram that I show below IN THE NEXT TWO PICTURES.  The resistor values are measured values, as measured on a factory-calibration-certified Fluke DVM.

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You will want to review the "As Found Wiring Diagram" carefully because in addition to a wiring diagram and schematic, it shows the physical dimensions and wire size of the winding which consists of three strands of #29-30 ga. wire twisted together of which two of these strands are for the main/drive winding and the remaining third strand is the trigger winding.

At that point I sort of put the circuit back together to see if it still functioned and tested it.  I replaced the broken frog hair wires that had been bonded to the B and E junctions of the chip with pieces of fine spring wire that made pressure contacts with the E and B lands on the chip.   This wiring technique is called cat whiskering.  I found the circuit to still function although it appeared that the gain of the transistor was somewhat less than before and the B-E reverse resistance had decreased a bit probably due to the heat gun driving oxygen and other contaminating gasses into the chip.  A picture of my reconstruction is shown below as placed on an experimenter board.  Note that black posts are simply pieces of heat shrink tubing glued to the winding to support the winding above the transistor case.   

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Additionally, my coexperimenter friend David J. and I did further research in an effort to determine the p/n for the transistor.  My suspicion for the part number was that it was a MJ15024 because it was a transistor recommended to me by John and as externally it was a dead ringer for the tube osc. transistor but that didn't mean too much because there are probably literally hundreds of different kinds of transistors that are put into any one given style/type/manufacturer's package.   Anyway, I sawed the top off of one of my MJ15024's and found that it was indeed a dead ringer for the tube oscillator's transistor.   I provided David with a picture of the transistor and he sawed tops off of 2N3055's and several other transistors and found that the chips of those transistors did NOT match the picture that I gave him.  

To at least partially confirm that the MJ15024 would at least oscillate and/or perform like John's transistor, I did additional experiments with the tube circuit, connecting the coil, resistors and all up to a MJ15024 and tested that circuit and did comparisons between the orig. transistor and the 15024 even going so far as to measure oscillating frequency and doing evaluations of waveforms with a scope.  I found them to be very comparable, with the new MJ15024 seeming to perform a bit better probably because the BE jct. hadn't been cooked by a heat gun.  :-(

And I guess that's about it for this email.    If you do discuss any of this with RS ... the only person right now besides you and David J. that I have shared detailed info about the tube osc. with ..., about the only thing significantly different about this message from the one I sent RS is the observation that I felt that the transistor was a MJ15024 and had tested it.

I hope this info is of some interest/help to you as the information that you have recently provided me with has certainly been helpful to me and so I owe you, friend.  

Very best regards,

Stan Mayer

BTW, would you happen to have a picture of the entire front of the 6-poler?  Your collage pixes of the 6 poler were very helpful to me as now I know pretty much know how it's been wired but I do have some minor questions about whether or not John's bare copper battery busses are closed circles  or open circles.   Probably not a big deal but if we have a network and lamelar current effect thing going on, the configuration of the busses will be important.


And now for the e-mails

On Thu, 10/6/05, Stan Mayer wrote:

From: Stan Mayer
Subject: Re: Core group
To: "Rick Friedrich", "Jack" <, "Richard L", "Roamer",
Date: Thursday, October 6, 2005, 10:11 PM


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   ----- Original Message
Rick  Friedrich
   To: Stan
Mayer ; Jack ; Richard L ; Roamer ;
Sent: Thursday,
October 06, 2005 6:31
Subject: Core

Just a word here. Don't share how to do the multi strand or multi coil   setup to anyone but the core group.
With all due respect, I'll    share information about my personal experiments with who I see   fit. Like you, I have not only visited John's
shop but I have   periodically communicated with him so I have a fairly good understanding about  what he wants and doesn't want shared. Trust me
on this,   please! Out of respect to the charter for the core  group, which has been made clear to me, I will of course not share the information derived from or shared in the core group with others.
Otherwise, I would be violating my agreement when I  signed on to the core group, wouldn't I?  Just because a few others will have the RS six coiler does not mean they

get the company info. I just asked John about this the other day. Only the group that RS talked about can know these things. The others will probably  figure it out, at least the multi strand thing.
What the heck is "company"  info. Does this mean ... (1) information from the core group, who  is the "company" or (2) does this mean that we
in the core group can expect to   get privileged information from John? Just curious. BTW, if the multi-strand thing that you are talking about the filar winding technique? If so, this is common knowledge, me  thinks. Whatever.
So this includes Gene, Nick, Dave(s), Sonny Lloyd, and others: I know they are and will be asking. But John said to tell them it is company   propriety or whatever if they ask.
Do let me know if others already know.

Understood re: the names you have mentioned and so far haven't had received any  questions from them. Please bear in mind that I
totally understand the  need for discretion in distributing information from John (and the core  group), believe me.
Stan, Roamer, there is a faster way to condition your batteries besides  that 6 coiler as far as I understand. RS, Richard, and
myself have replicated  a solid state SG circuit but it is not OU.  

Jack, you saw the picture when I was there. I made a 15 strand version SG   with 14 transistors just like what you have there Stan
with 24 transistors and 25 wires. BUT, with an air core, and the trigger is: 1. Going the other  direction; 2, is connected to the positive side of the
primary battery (not  the negative. This is the "forced trigger." I thought it was the golf cart  charger on the bench, but it is just a "fast"
charger. On my setup I could  fully charge a 24v bank of 4 golf cart batteries from a total of 3v (yes I abused those poor batteries) to 25+v in about half and
Good. I too  have tried my 6-pole energizer with iron cores as a self oscillator but didn't  see anything extraordinary but that was before I
understood the absolute  need to have conditioned batteries before evaluating other Bedini energizer  circuits and so maybe some day, I will try self
oscillators again, I dunno. I have built many self oscillators, including air  cored, iron cored and ferrite cored and have even gotten
some assistance from  you know who with a couple of them but so far my
solid state oscillators  haven't yielded anything like the results that I have gotten with my 6-pole
motioned energizer, Just my 2 cents.
I got 240+v spikes the lower my resistance the higher. I was able to  rotate those batteries back and forth many times and only
very slowly lowing  them (while doing many other experiments. Again, this was not a OU machine as
John and Peter told me on the phone.  I'm assuming you know about this, but if any of you didn't, I thought it  may help in your conditioning speed. I'm going to do
that on my forty  batteries (second and third banks) as soon as I get all the copper pipe cut  and drilled for busses.
Cool. I am glad  that you are seeing good results but sorry to learn that you haven't yet  reached the point of achieving OU. Looks
to me like it could  be a long road for many of us before we get to COP >1, but for what it's   worth, my personal opinion is that the road there is not
through testing many  many different Bedini devices but sticking with a basic SG type device and  then going through the long long arduous task of
conditioning the  batteries. RS and I agree on this I think. The reason   that I feel this way is because I AT LAST after something
like 2 years of  experimenting with Bedini devices and having played the games of trying self  oscillators, different type of diodes and transistors,
etc., etc. am now just beginning to see decreasing charge times for my batteriesand what I am   seeing seems to defy what one should expect to see from lead-acid  batteries and I have done this with just a basic SG motioned  energizer. Again, just my 2 cents.  If you have something to add to this, you are welcome.  I have just done so,
haven't I :-Ds for your 6 coiler are you getting similar charging rates as John. I vaguely recall John  saying somewhere that his 6-pole energizer was drawing
about 2 Amps but I don't recall him talking about charging rates. My 6-pole energizer draws about 3 Amps and is charging with an
efficiency of about 40%,  as determined by measuring the true Watt-hours stored in the  batteries vs. the Watt-hours input to the energizer to
charge them.  However, the efficiency seems to be inching upwards about 4% with each battery conditioning cycle, which is encouraging to me.
I notice a few differences on your setup from> John's. Like the two center busses on the outside with the other two.
I am not sure I exactly  follow your question but if this is in regards to the copper circles around the energizer, there are three "loops" made
from 1/4" OD copper tubing that are busses for the batteries. There is also another buss or loop  made from 12 ga. copper wire that is the master buss bar
for the trigger  signal.  Or perhaps the resistor buss just goes from group to group.It appears you also have a two inch wide rotor like
John's and not like >   RS's 3".   My rotor is 2" wide. Can you share what resistances you have going to each tranny, each group,  and the main resistor where John's bulb and two paralleled resistors are? I filmed John's but cannot make out all the values. I can on the twelve coiler.
Yes, I can and am willing  to share detailed info about my circuitry because it is not based on any confidential information from John ... or at least not
any confidential  information from John that he hasn't already recently revealed ... but it  will take a considerable amount of writing to do this ...
along with some schematic attachments, etc. ... and so I won't do this in this letter   now. I'd like to cut a deal with you, Rick :-) Since I have invested more than a little
time in fingering out my circuit based on photographic studies of enlargements and enhancements of  John's photos of his 6-poler and guessing at things
like what his trigger circuit is and how he has the C's and B's of his transistors connected up and where his charge diodes are as I haven't been back to
see John since my last visit with him in November, 2004, I am dying to see your closeup photos of his 6-poler so if you can provide me with closeup photos of
the 6-poler I would definitely be willing to share my 6-poler circuit and parts list with   you and the core group. Do we have a deal?  :-)
   I have a 16+" by about 10" rotor similar to John's that I got the other day. It needs machining. I may want to make a 16 or 32
coiler. Either as a SSG setup or G-feild.
  Cool. You definitely have a lot of work ahead of you though, I think, but that's the name of the game, isn't it? ;-)
  Jack, I hope you got your setup figured out now. I hope things didn't  melt too much. On one of my coils that melted, one of the
wires can't be used without a big spark. I can see that wire has melting points in places.   And that's about it for me   as I have rambled on way too much already for
 Best regards, 


On Fri, 10/7/05, Stan Mayer <> wrote:

From: Stan Mayer <>
Subject: Re: Core group
To: "Rick Friedrich" <>
Date: Friday, October 7, 2005, 12:06 AM

Wonderful  letter!!!!!!!!!!!! Lot's and lot's to digest and think about but I did want to get a quick reply off to you now and I'll definitely reply in
greater detail after I get a good night's sleep and spend some time digesting your letter. BTW, the photos from you tell me a lot but if you have
more, I will definitely be interested, boy howdy. Damned,

I've got to shut this off and get some shut eye so I will close with but one last comment. Your candor in your letter was very refreshing and I
definitely look forward to getting to know you and, frankly, developing a trust between us because like you, I have invested a lot of time
in Bedini and Bearden MEG experiments and have learned the hard way, that while sharing is good, there are those that will take advantageous of you and even
jeopardize your standing with inventors like Bedini and Bearden just for their own gain. Damned, enuff already.
Later and very
best, Stan
P.S. What's your Skype  handle? Mine's  stanmayer  (of Eagle, Idaho USA )
Original Message
Rick Friedrich
To: Stan Mayer
Sent: Thursday,
October 06, 2005 9:46
Subject: Re: Core group

From: Rick Friedrich
To: Stan Mayer
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:46
Subject: Re: Core group

Stan, Sure thing, replies below, attached files coming last or next email depending on how long it takes to upload them or write this email:
snipped for brevity and to some extent  security because my emails at times seem to be monitored by unknown  people. Strange but true,

Jack, you saw the picture when I was there. I made a 15 strand version SG   with 14 transistors just like what you have there Stan
with 24 transistors and 25 wires. BUT, with an air core, and the trigger is: 1.Going the other  direction; 2, is connected to the positive side of the
primary battery (not the negative. This is the "forced trigger." I thought it was the golf cart charger on the bench, but it is just a "fast"
charger. On my setup I could fully charge a 24v bank of 4 golf cart batteries from a total of 3v (yes I  abused those poor batteries) to 25+v in about half and

So the whole time Rick and his friends come to visit they take my information and pass it around like playing cards. It was later found out that they were making my oscillators and selling them without permission, nor would I ever give them permission, You the people be the judge of what was going on with this gang. So therefore the new sing.

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